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SARS survival rate higher than pneumonia
Toronto Star ^ | Mar. 29, 2003. 06:29 AM | KAREN PALMER

Posted on 03/31/2003 8:46:18 AM PST by Maelstrom

Mar. 29, 2003. 06:29 AM

SARS survival rate higher than pneumonia
Panic, overkill fuel public fears about disease

KAREN PALMER
PUBLIC HEALTH REPORTER

The headlines are bold and scary: Thousands quarantined. Masks flying off store shelves. Panicked residents flooding a local clinic, fearing they've contracted a mysterious and deadly disease that's circling the globe.

But how truly terrifying is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome?

"I'd much sooner get SARS than get hit by lightning," said Dr. Lionel Mandel, a pneumonia and infectious disease expert at McMaster University, noting that people are far more likely to survive the mysterious illness than a jolt of atmospheric electricity.

Mandel said he's encouraged by how few deaths the North American arm of the outbreak has seen. There are 66 probable and suspect cases in Toronto, plus 51 suspect cases in the United States. So far, three people have died in Toronto.

"That's about a 5 per cent mortality rate, which is less than the mortality rate we see every week with hospital-acquired pneumonia," he said.

With some pneumonias picked up in long-term care facilities, where residents tend to be frail and elderly and have poor immune systems, more than half of patients can die.

Pneumonia is an inflammation of the lungs, one that causes sufferers to struggle for breath as their lungs are weighed down with fluid. It's usually, but not always, caused by an infection whose root cause might be bacterial, viral, fungal or parasitic.

Symptoms usually include fever, chills, cough, chest pain, and shortness of breath. Vital organs begin shutting down, causing septic shock and a sudden, dangerous rise in blood pressure.

"That doesn't seem to be happening here," Mandel said, noting only 25 per cent of SARS patients actually develop pneumonia. Most patients develop only a fever, muscle aches and respiratory problems, but seem to recover fully.

With SARS, there's a 95 to 98 per cent chance a person will survive the illness.

"There are these steps that make it seem scary," he said, pointing to the quarantine. "You don't do that for a minor thing."

What has prompted the reaction from public health — the severe restrictions on hospital visits, the request for exposed people to stay isolated — stems from the seeming ease with which the disease is passed from one person to another, the fact that doctors don't know where SARS comes from or when it stops being contagious.

"It may seem like overkill, but what they're trying to do is contain the unknown," Mandel said.

"The truth is, the risk is low in social, casual contact," said Dr. Neil Rau, an infectious disease specialist at Credit Valley hospital. However, he said that's no reason to fool around with the disease, throwing his full support behind the quarantine and suggesting public health officials should take even more drastic measures.

"In my career, I've never been as scared as I am of this getting out of control," Rau said.

The scary thing about SARS is that it can kill young, healthy people, such as 44-year-old Chi Kwai Tse who died of SARS at Scarborough Grace hospital on March 14.

"The concern with SARS is that we do not know for sure when people become contagious and we want to take an extra step of precaution for those people who have a visited a place where we know infection has been transmitted, to ensure they have passed through that window of 10 days and are still healthy, before they go out and about in public without restrictions," said Toronto's medical officer of health Dr. Sheela Basrur.


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Panic can be averted.
1 posted on 03/31/2003 8:46:19 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Maelstrom
"I'd much sooner get SARS than get hit by lightning," said Dr. Lionel Mandeltrom"
Why do I not feel comforted by this comparison, I wonder?
2 posted on 03/31/2003 8:58:25 AM PST by Bahbah (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Maelstrom
I was just starting to think that maybe i should consider worrying about this. Good to know I was right to ignore. We're way to prone to panic.
3 posted on 03/31/2003 9:02:46 AM PST by discostu (I have not yet begun to drink)
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To: Bahbah
>"That's about a 5 per cent mortality rate, which is less than the mortality rate we see every week with hospital-acquired pneumonia," he said.

The comparison "I'd rather get SARS then hospital acquired pneumonia is not much more comforting.

4 posted on 03/31/2003 9:03:36 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Maelstrom
With SARS, there's a 95 to 98 per cent chance a person will survive the illness.

"There are these steps that make it seem scary," he said, pointing to the quarantine. "You don't do that for a minor thing."

Catching an illness in the prime of life as easily as a cold and having a 1 in 20 chance of dying is plenty scary enough for me, thank you. The doctor who first reported the disease: DEAD!!! In no way SARS this be compared to pneumonia in a nursing home denizen. This doctor is providing us nothing but spin.

5 posted on 03/31/2003 9:04:46 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Maelstrom
I do not believe they have a handle on the mortality rate due to a lck of data regarding China.

I wait and see.

6 posted on 03/31/2003 9:07:20 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: nopardons; bonesmccoy
Ping.
8 posted on 03/31/2003 9:19:07 AM PST by malakhi (OPENING DAY!!!)
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To: wirestripper
China's reluctance to come clean is abominable, but the situation in Hong Kong is now to the stage that we can begin to see some patterns.

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Hong Kong SARS cases
Day Date New Cases Up/Day Up/Week Deaths % of cases % of 1 day % of 2 day % of 3 day % of 4 day % of 5 day % of 6 day % of week
wed 03/19 150
thu 03/20 23 173 15.33%
Fri 03/21 30 203 17.34%
Sat 03/22 19 222 9.36%
Sun 03/23 25 247 11.26%
Mon 03/24 13 260 5.26%
Tue 03/25 26 286 10.00%
Wed 03/26 30 316 10.49% 110.67%
Thu 03/27 51 367 16.14% 112.14%
Fri 03/28 58 425 15.80% 109.36%
Sat 03/29 45 470 10.59% 111.71%
Sun 03/30 60 530 12.77% 114.57%
Mon 03/31 92 622 17.36% 139.23% 15 2% 3% 3% 4% 4% 5% 5% 6%
Averages 12.64% 116.28%

9 posted on 03/31/2003 9:21:38 AM PST by per loin
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To: Maelstrom
This is disinformation. Toronto has locked their hospital doors to all patients except medical staff and close relatives. Other people with SARS symptoms are urged to lock themselves into their homes. There are no medical personel available who will consider house calls.
10 posted on 03/31/2003 9:22:03 AM PST by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: Maelstrom
Aw geez, that's no fun.

PANIC! RUN! HIDE! HOLD YOUR BREATH!

Now that's fun.

11 posted on 03/31/2003 9:23:08 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: per loin
Interesting data. It tells me that it is too early to get a handle on rates. looks like the increased % per day is not stable at all.
12 posted on 03/31/2003 9:25:50 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: wirestripper
Yes. It is still at the stage where a flash cluster can significantly skew the numbers. But despite the instability of the increase %, we do see that it has consistantly remained above 10% increase per day for a week now.

Of course, at this stage we have no idea of how long that pattern might hold, but if it continues for long, I'd expect panic flight from Hong Kong within a short time. Any rumors on the possible coming shutdown of outbound flights will accelerate such panic.

I note that an editorial in today's Wall Street Journal calls for a shutdown of all flights from China, including Hong Kong, to the USA.

13 posted on 03/31/2003 9:34:51 AM PST by per loin
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To: discostu
I was just starting to think that maybe i should consider worrying about this.

Me too. I was going to stock up on canned goods, bottled water, duct tape, and buy a gun--then I realized I was preparing for the wrong catastrophe.

14 posted on 03/31/2003 9:36:27 AM PST by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: per loin
Thank you so much for the charts. They are great!
15 posted on 03/31/2003 9:41:02 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: CathyRyan
They help me to see the pattern of what is happening. I'm happy to share them, if they are of use to anyone.
16 posted on 03/31/2003 9:45:28 AM PST by per loin
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To: Maelstrom
SARS survival rate higher than pneumonia
Panic, overkill fuel public fears about disease


The title of Karen Palmer's article should actually be.....

"SARS survival rate higher than pneumonia
Panic, overkill and reality fuel public fears about disease."

SARS spreads to Sick Kids Hospital
17 posted on 03/31/2003 11:02:27 AM PST by Eric Cassano
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To: ex-Texan
Keep your eyes open and don't be lulled into a panic unnecessarily.

As a fellow Freeper, that's all I ask.
18 posted on 03/31/2003 11:05:19 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Eric Cassano
There was a report that three kids from a school down the street from the hospital had contracted SARS. Their path home passed the hospital grounds. Perhaps these are the kids now hospitalized?
19 posted on 03/31/2003 11:26:48 AM PST by per loin
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To: per loin
Thanks for the info. Here's a press release from the Hospital for Sick Children.

The Hospital for Sick Children limits access during SARS outbreak
20 posted on 03/31/2003 12:02:32 PM PST by Eric Cassano
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